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Re: Concerns about the page credit system from the reader's perspective
Awesome @Nimloth! Thanks for all of that. I'm glad to hear you guys are open to the feedback. I'm excited to see where things go.
@AhkwardKat, of course the creator perspective matters! It's just not the subject of this thread.
@AhkwardKat, of course the creator perspective matters! It's just not the subject of this thread.
Re: Concerns about the page credit system from the reader's perspective
@yayaoyuyingstudio, the creators' perspective on this is a whole other discussion.
Thank you for the amazing points, @CronaJÂ and @AhkwardKat.
To be clear in all of this discussion, I am not arguing that the price is unfair. The assumption that a page of comic art is always the same monetary value is what I find difficult to contend with.
A page is just a collection of panels (or just one), arranged in a manner conducive to storytelling. It can be thought of as a storytelling composition, the smallest unit of which is a panel. As a reader, will I be turned off by the creator who posts their mini-comic on the platform, as printed, and expects my hard-earned credits for tiny pages? I'd argue that's a legitimate concern.Â
4) Back to "What is a page?", it's clear that, as far as the GC platform is concerned, a page is the same as its print construct. But why should it be? These aren't print objects first that just happen to be sold digitally. When you are talking about digital goods, a page is whatever the creator believes ought to be in that composition so that the story can be told effectively.
Thank you for the amazing points, @CronaJÂ and @AhkwardKat.
To be clear in all of this discussion, I am not arguing that the price is unfair. The assumption that a page of comic art is always the same monetary value is what I find difficult to contend with.
A page is just a collection of panels (or just one), arranged in a manner conducive to storytelling. It can be thought of as a storytelling composition, the smallest unit of which is a panel. As a reader, will I be turned off by the creator who posts their mini-comic on the platform, as printed, and expects my hard-earned credits for tiny pages? I'd argue that's a legitimate concern.Â
4) Back to "What is a page?", it's clear that, as far as the GC platform is concerned, a page is the same as its print construct. But why should it be? These aren't print objects first that just happen to be sold digitally. When you are talking about digital goods, a page is whatever the creator believes ought to be in that composition so that the story can be told effectively.
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8 years ago
Re: Announcing Monetized Comics Publishing Beta
I brought this comment over to the forum https://globalcomix.com/forums/threads/206/concerns-about-the-page-credit-system-from-the-reader-s-perspective
Nimloth edit: removed previous comment to direct discourse to the forum thread.
Nimloth edit: removed previous comment to direct discourse to the forum thread.
Concerns about the page credit system from the reader's perspective
I posted this as a comment to the blog announcement, but it occurred to me that it might be better suited for here in the forum.
What is a page in the digital space? I don't even like to think about pages in my work anymore. I think about screens more than anything.Â
Three things that I feel are an obstacle to the reader regarding the page/credit model:
1) Buying credits, in general, is annoying. It might be nice as an option, but as a reader, I'd like to be able to buy "up the hierarchy" of content as it can be collected (Issues, Series, Subscription). Yes, credits are nice as a way to hop around and explore paid content at your leisure, but I see lots of readers saying, "Can I just buy this book?
2) If I am reading a story, and I get close to the end and run out of credits, you've put me in a position to pay $4.99 to find out how it ends. Even if I only have one page left to read.Â
3) Comics storytelling isn't the same as other media. When you apply a monetary value to a unit of storytelling as small as a page, the reader expects to get the same value out of every page they buy. If a creator decided that a page of their story should be composed of one small drawing for tension/dramatic effect/emotional impact, the reader might very well feel ripped off. Or that the creator phoned it in or is just trying to get an extra $0.044257 out of his or her audience.
I'd love to hear others' thoughts on this.
What is a page in the digital space? I don't even like to think about pages in my work anymore. I think about screens more than anything.Â
Three things that I feel are an obstacle to the reader regarding the page/credit model:
1) Buying credits, in general, is annoying. It might be nice as an option, but as a reader, I'd like to be able to buy "up the hierarchy" of content as it can be collected (Issues, Series, Subscription). Yes, credits are nice as a way to hop around and explore paid content at your leisure, but I see lots of readers saying, "Can I just buy this book?
2) If I am reading a story, and I get close to the end and run out of credits, you've put me in a position to pay $4.99 to find out how it ends. Even if I only have one page left to read.Â
3) Comics storytelling isn't the same as other media. When you apply a monetary value to a unit of storytelling as small as a page, the reader expects to get the same value out of every page they buy. If a creator decided that a page of their story should be composed of one small drawing for tension/dramatic effect/emotional impact, the reader might very well feel ripped off. Or that the creator phoned it in or is just trying to get an extra $0.044257 out of his or her audience.
I'd love to hear others' thoughts on this.
@gunderstorm
commented on the blog
8 years ago
Re: Announcing Monetized Comics Publishing Beta
I find this model problematic. What is a page in the digital space? Even in print, not all pages are created equal and when you apply a dollar amount to one, you start to run into issues. I don't even like to think about pages in my work anymore in the same way I don't think about albums from music artists. I'll chime in on this a bit more when I have some time, but I'd love to hear others' thoughts.