Vinesoft
BluSniper
Interesting. So we are seeing the same thing happen to Sans as we did Froggit. I also noticed that Papyrus had a lot more flowers on him than last time. My theory is that a monster's soul still exist inside of them somewhere and the more plant like they look the more corrupted they are. We saw no plant stuff (other than on his mask) really on him, so does that mean that Sans' soul was in control? His skeleton also looks a bit weird. His jaw a teeth don't really match what his actual skeleton looks like, so how does that work? Was his soul just moved to a doll? But why even keep his soul to begin with? Do these creatures need a soul to function? Perhaps it is DETERMINATION that is keeping their souls alive? I don't really know, but that is my theory at the moment.
BluSniper
Hmm...so I saw that one of the dolls was supposed to be a recreation of Sans. Hinting with the blue jacket. I also noticed two dialogue styles. One white and typical comic style text and the classic Undertale textbox. When I first saw it in the previous chapters I just thought in was Frisk's inner thoughts, but now I'm not sure. Just seems like an odd detail. Maybe perhaps someone else is talking to Frisk? It is a possibility, but it still acts like a thought, so I'm not entirely sure. It is interesting though.
BluSniper
I got nothing for this one. Only thing is that the costume seemed to be made of plastic and the creature was too made of vines. That's about all I got.
BluSniper
Alright. So who does this journal belong to? I was suspecting Mettaton since the word performance was in there and saying Papyrus was his 'Magnum Ops' which is Latin for 'Great Work' and something typically artist use, and we know Mettaton is an artist in some ways as he has done musicals, a cooking show, and even knows how to dance which can be considered forms of art, so this journal kinda hints towards him being behind all of this, but I just don't know. It would seem odd that a robot would write down his personal thoughts. Just doesn't seem likely. I don't think it can be Sans' journal either since it doesn't really feel like he is thinking of Papyrus or even writing about him like he was his brother which would hint that it isn't his. I assume it would possibly have to be something Alphys created and I still think that this is more in likely Asriel's doing since a bunch of plant-life is taking over. The journal mentioned that the built him a cage and he broke out which happened in Undertale which is what happened since Flowey escaped after absorbing Asreil's dust. So he is more in likely the owner of this journal. In the journal he also talks about Papyrus and how he could be better and deserves better and how proud he is of Papyrus and we know that Flowey/Asriel was friends with Papyrus while he was in flower form, so I do believe that this is Flowey's doing. Now my question is still the motivation. Since I do believe that Flowey/Asriel is behind this then that means he is looking for Chara for a specific reason and I'm still not sure if it is for revenge or not. I'm still not sure why he would even bother to go out of his way to create mimics of the other monsters. The description says something about them being a reminder of the past inhabitants, but why? What's the point of that? What purpose could it serve? Not only that, but why kill everyone? IF Chara is alive then that means that Asriel never died by humans, but in the games Chara died from a sickness. We know that Frisk in the game would be considered Chara's partner in the genocide route, so was the person talking to us in the last comic actually Chara? All these questions and yet no answers yet.
BluSniper
Hmm...so all the creatures are indeed plant-life. They are all remade as plants by what I'm assuming is Asreil's doing. It seemed like though that tiny creature was actually warning rather than showing Frisk the way. Just like how Froggit was warning Frisk of Toriel before their mind got corrupted back to default. My question is who brought Frisk into the house? Sans maybe? He was stalking Frisk from a distance from the window, but why? What is the point of humoring this? Why not just bring Frisk right to Asriel or whoever their leader possibly is. They were really only looking for Chara and they know this isn't Chara, so what could they possibly want with Frisk now? Also someone was talking to Frisk and they mentioned 'our' people. It could be someone that was talking to Chara as in the game the little notes we got from people talking to us was actually things Chara actually heard and not Frisk, so it is a possibly that this message was directed towards either Asriel or Chara. If that is the case then what is the threat? Were these vine creatures not Asriel's doings? We see a constant theme of golden flowers that would indicate it is him, but if this message is directed towards him, then that means these vine creatures just kinda...appeared? That would be the only reason I know that they would be under threat. The journal that Frisk's picks up also seems to have been written before someone's demise. Possibly Sans? I wouldn't imagine someone like Papyrus writing something as depressing as that as in the game he was always cheerful even in death, so it would only make sense for that to be Sans note since it does look like it could be Sans and Papyrus' house. The main question now is IF the vine creatures aren't Asriel's doing for revenge or anything, then what do they want with Chara and why are they going out of their way to mimic the monsters such as Froggit, Toriel, and the other monsters in the ruin? That part doesn't make sense to me. At first I thought that maybe it was supposed to be a reminder of what Chara did and that is why they are going out of there way to mimic them, but IF this isn't Asriel's doing then why even bother mimicking the underground monsters? That just doesn't make sense to me. I just can't figure out their motive for that.
BluSniper
So they mimics inherit not only their memories, but personality? It is also odd that this Sans would know who Toriel is if we take the assumption that the ruins have been locked away this whole time just like Toriel did in the game. They are also still not killing on site, so was it only Toriel who wanted Chara? Surely the others know of Chara's existence. Also, who is making these costumes? I'm also seeing a quite a suspicious amount of golden flowers. First we saw the one Frisk touched in the entrance then we saw the Flowey creature that tried to kill Frisk before strangely getting ripped apart, then we see the golden flower in Chara's old room, then we saw Toriel place a butterscotch pie in the room with a flower on top and now we see in Papyrus' shoe a golden flower hanging out. The creatures are also plant life, so could it be that the main villain and the so called 'Creator' is Asriel? We know he was Flowey which is a golden flower and we are seeing golden flowers everywhere. There could be a chance that maybe Asriel/Flowey maybe mutated and is able to control the plant life and is able to create creatures. Maybe the reason Toriel was wanting to look for Chara so bad is because maybe Asreil wanted revenge for something that Chara did and wanted to do it personally? My only question if this theory is correct is how come some of these plant creatures try to kill Frisk? Does Asriel not have full control over his creations and that is why Froggit and been torn apart and put back together? Is Asriel creating these costumes for the vine creatures and having them mimic them so it can be a reminder of what Chara possibly has done to the monsters of the underground and why he wants revenge? It is far fetched, but I think that could be it, but if that theory is true, then my only question is why Sans doesn't just grab Frisk and bring him to Asriel? Why go through the whole handshake bit and play along? That is the part that doesn't make sense to me at the moment and what is leaving me perplexed. I know some of these creatures seem to have a mind of their own because Froggit before having his mind manipulated again was actually warning Frisk that Toriel was planning on killing him and telling him about the 'Creator', so could this be a monster soul trapped and was able to talk? We know Alphys had done something similar by fusing monsters together, so could it be that a monster soul was trapped with Froggit's soul and Froggit's soul took back over temporarily? The more I read the more questions I have.
BluSniper
So I was right. Toriel was killing other Humans that didn't look like Chara which is why Toriel was able to provide Frisk shoes when no one really wore shoes besides three people. It also seems like the government is very aware of what happens inside the cave. I'm assuming that Humans are still very aware that monsters exist since I'm sure the monster war still happened, but could it be only the government knows about it? Frisk didn't mention anything about monsters if they knew the monsters were banished to the underground. I would figure that Frisk would have briefed them on the possibility that monsters could be a problem, so that is my reason to believe that the government only knows they exist. That would also explain why there would be a military base right beside the cave and have constant patrol of the mountain. Now my question are the crystals. Why does Frisk and her group want them? The drawing of the crystal didn't really make them seem like they were really all that valuable. So are they perhaps magical? That could be another reason the military base is there if on the off chance they didn't know monsters lived in that cave until recently. There has been other humans that went missing there and Frisk herself said that soldiers don't even go inside the cave, so surely that means they know that something is in there. Also if Chara did on the off chance escape then doesn't that mean soldiers would have spotted her? That would mean that Chara is being held in the military base or could be running it for all I know since she would be an adult at this time. If she didn't escape then that means she is hiding somewhere in the underground and is the so called 'Creator' that Froggit mentioned, but that wouldn't explain why Toriel would be waiting by the entrance of the cave if Chara is just hiding somewhere in the underground, so surely that would imply that Chara did escape, right? And if Toriel does indeed have 6 human souls since we saw the missing people from Frisk's room, then why didn't Toriel just kill Frisk on site? Why is it that Toriel (or really just these creatures) wants Chara so bad? Toriel could have just killed Frisk and broke the barrier, but she didn't, so that is leaving me perplexed.
BluSniper
Hmm...so this mimic Toriel seems to have a hatred of Humans like the monsters did in regular Undertale, so does this imply that possibly these creatures have always been around before all of the monsters died? But why would they even bother trying to mimic the creatures? That is what I'm lost on. Why? We've seen these vine mimics seem to work and live just fine without mimicking someone, so why would it go out of it's way to do that? There has to be a reason why it wants to mimic Toriel and the other ruin creatures, but I just can't figure out what it is. Also since Toriel has many costumes made of her, does that mean that she will just be replaced? That would explain why there were so many costumes of her. I just don't know why they want to be her? The only explanation I have for this is that maybe the mimic was trying to create a similar looking environment from that one that Chara escaped from in order to lure her in and kill Chara. I still think they want to escape and need the human souls that Asgore would have been collecting, but I just don't know. If these vine mimics did kill the underground monsters then why? What would be there motive? Did Asgore possibly not want to escape and they didn't agree? Then that would also imply that Frisk would be the only human soul to exist and the other 6 wouldn't even exist unless the creatures have been killing humans. They could have since I'm not sure where Toriel would have gotten those shoes. I don't know any underground creatures who really wore shoes besides Papyrus, Undyne, and Chara. Chara's shoes are the only ones that match the shoes that Toriel gave Frisk, but Chara is more in likely alive if Toriel is looking for them, so that means that this Toriel has been killing humans that don't look like Chara and possibly collecting their souls in order to escape. Still though I'm not sure what exactly she would want Chara for because if it is really just for a soul then Toriel could have just killed Frisk and been done, so Toriel obviously has another motive to why she wants Chara, but I just don't know yet. My mind is just wondering.
BluSniper
Hmm...so this Toriel does know Chara? It seems like she is quite clearly looking for her. I also said last time that Toriel seemed more aware than the others, so is there a chance that maybe she was the first? The first to die and be reborn? It just seems very odd that Toriel is in more control than the others. We saw that Froggit seems to get their mind manipulated in a way. Froggit never talks in the game (at least from what I remember) and yet this one did and after it's mind got manipulated again it seemed like it went back to the default setting of being Froggit. Now I am curious on why Toriel is looking for Chara? Did Chara never die? If not then does that mean she escaped after Toriel died? I'm still pretty confident that Toriel was the first to go (or at the very least someone in Toriel's family such as Asgore and Asriel), so that would explain why it seems to know so much about Toriel's life and it wants to find Chara because she possibly escaped, but then who would the Creator be? Froggit clearly mention that there is someone else behind this as well since he didn't mention that Toriel was the one tearing him apart and putting him together, so if it is possibly not Chara then who? Asriel? That one wouldn't make much sense if we saw a creature that looked like Flowey in the last comic, which would imply that Asriel died, so who else? The only other person that I think the creator could possibly be is Alphys since she had technically brought creatures back to life, but why would they be viney mimics? Could she have went mad and created them? It ain't far off since she has done something like this before, just less evil. Interesting.
BluSniper
Ok so Chara does exist in this world. Flowey/Aseriel must be died since the body was taken over by those vine creatures. Does Aseriel not have his powers? Did he never gain them? Also I wonder how this mimic Toriel would even know who Chara is? I wouldn't assume that it gains the memories of those it kills since it messed up so easily in the first comic by not introducing itself properly, so is Chara just running around? That would be the only logical reason for this mimic to know of Chara's existence and name unless Toriel just has a diary lying around and the mimic just happened to read it, unless like I suspected last time that Chara might be the creator Froggit was talking about. Also what I'm curious about is if the person who put Froggit together and made Toriel's costume are completely different. Toriel seems awfully calm and didn't act like Froggit. Toriel seemed more aware, so did the mimic made the costume of her themselves? If so then why? It looks like all the creatures were put back together in costumes and are now being controlled by those vine creatures, and there are multiple Toriel costumes. The Froggit said that he was the last one left because the creator felt like they were too bland, so was Toriel not bland and that is why there are multiple of her? Suspicious.
BluSniper
Hmm...so the creator killed the frogs and only rebuilt one? Then the froggit knew he had to kill Frisk, but then can't remembers? I noticed in the first comic that when Frisk touched the flower it did nothing, so could it be that Aseriel is separated? Possibly dead? Him and Chara are the only ones who have intense power, so what could have happened? I'm suspecting that the possible 'creator' is Chara. I have a suspicion that Aseriel is dead or somewhere else, so it only makes sense to me that Chara is the one doing this. I was also correct about Toriel wanting to kill Frisk thanks to the Froggit conforming that, so it seems Toriel does want to just keep Frisk alive for now since she didn't kill him the moment that they met. My only question is which one was controlling Froggit and making him forget or go back to default? Was it Chara or Toriel? The rabbit hole gets deeper and deeper.
BluSniper
I wonder what Toriel's motive is. It is clear she is not alive based off the description. When she introduced herself she messed up by saying mother instead of Toriel, so that means whatever she is now is just trying to mimic her, which will explain why she looks like a puppet rather than a person, hence the stitches on her face, but why not kill Frisk? That is what I'm lost on. Toriel really has no reason to keep Frisk alive unless maybe Frisk is needed to escape if we are assuming that 7 human souls are still needed for the barrier, so maybe she has to get something to trap Frisk soul so the mimics can escape the underground? Possibly.
BluSniper
It is interesting. Toriel seems to be a puppet or something like a stuffed animal. I noticed in the last comic that when she turned around it was like she was wearing a mascot mask. Very peculiar.
Nyxy-5791
very interesting take on undertale let’s see where it goes